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I don't recall that any of her works could be categorised as "synthpop". Can you provide any examples or should we remove that label? And how about jazz? --80.221.189.8 (talk) 14:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jazz is at least somewhat attested in the NYT review of Switched-On Bach that's cited. I've removed synthpop pending a mention in the article and a source. Good catch. Remsense诉15:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be easier to read if the period of Carlos' life before the gender/sex change was referred to as "he"
Since Carlos began gender/sex changes around 1968, it would be much easier and factually correct to refer to the earlier period as "he" rather than "she". Perhaps consider using "they" to highlight that the gender of the earlier period is not plain vanilla "she"... Cawag98 (talk) 00:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Switching pronouns would be more confusing and less correct. The Manual of Style says not to do this. Please see WP:GENDERID, particularly the Retroactivity section. We can't use "they" for people who have not chosen "they", or at least disclaimed everything else. DanielRigal (talk) 12:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to what DanielRigal stated, Wendy herself has stated she always felt female. "Didn't see why her parents didn't see it clearly" and all that. For this reason referring to her as "her" throughout her life seems like the kind and respectful thing to do. Rcarlberg (talk) 21:31, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I note that somewhere in the past year some of the passages from Amanda Sewell's book about Carlos--which Wendy herself has called "fiction"--have been woven into the narrative of her life. Rather than just dive in & remove them, I'd like to ask the assembled community: do we really want to reproduce allegations that Carlos became suicidal on being asked to perform live, when she herself disputes this?
Rcarlberg (talk) 02:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the Amanda Sewell book should not be used for controversial claims with BLP issues. Carlos did not want a biography at all, and although most of the Sewell book is uncontroversial, some of it has been specifically denied by Carlos.--♦IanMacM♦(talk to me)07:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So will you, or one of the other senior editors, take on the task of removing disproven content?
It shouldn't be removed. We don't remove legitimate sources simply because the subject disputed them. Anything noteworthy should be kept, with a note that Carlos disputes it when appropriate.—Chowbok☠16:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia has a presumption of privacy for living persons. If a controversial claim about a living person is only being made in a single source, then we likely should be removing the content from Wikipedia articles. Per WP:BLPPUBLIC, there should be "multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident" (emphasis included in policy) or else it should be removed from the article. – notwally (talk) 20:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you KIDDING me??? "We don't remove legitimate sources simply because the subject disputed them"? Wendy herself says Sewell's book is "fiction." Why would you propagate untrue assertions when the subject herself says they're untrue? You need to rethink your biases, Chowbok. (And this is why I no longer have any desire to contribute to Wikipedia...)
As do you. We do not act as stenographers for the subjects of articles. If she disputes a claim, we can quote that dispute, but we're not going to entirely chuck out a biography by a subject matter expert from one of the world's most reputable publishers. Especially since Carlos " hasn't liked anything anyone's written about her for 45 years" [1]Gamaliel (talk) 01:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per notwally (above): "Per WP:BLPPUBLIC, there should be "multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident" (emphasis included in policy) or else it should be removed from the article." You won't find any other sources that corroborate Sewell's allegations. Is that clear enough?
Oxford publishing is very reliable, despite the predictable complaint by Carlos. We are not throwing out the Sewell book simply because Carlos said it was fiction. Binksternet (talk) 04:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Back then, a particularly-belligerent editor was banned, he created a sock puppet to advocate against the banning, and then was permanently banned when his deceit was uncovered. I don't know if any of you are also sock puppets, but you're making the same argument. Rcarlberg (talk) 19:34, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This accusation is out of line. You said above you had no desire to contribute to Wikipedia; I strongly suggest you follow your (lack of) desire.—Chowbok☠20:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not an accusation, Chow, it's a fact. This argument has all been covered－and I thought resolved－four years ago. If current editors are unwilling to follow Wiki's own guidelines (WP:BLPPUBLIC) then the lack of adult supervision here makes Wikipedia useless as a public resource.Rcarlberg (talk) 01:35, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sewell clearly states her sources after every chapter. Since she has scoured practically every source available then it would be practically impossible to write anything about Carlos beyond what is on Carlos's website and in her Playboy interview. Dismissing a whole book as fiction by Carlos seems to me a bit extreme without some qualification. Best compromise is to highlight disputed facts but not to dismiss an entire book. We prefer secondary sources to primary sources and Sewell's book is a secondary source. Egrabczewski (talk) 08:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree. Most of Sewell's book is non-controversial, as it was based on a deep dive into publicly available sources. Those of us who had read the sources found nothing new or disputable in those parts of the book. Only occasionally did Sewell venture into unfounded speculation, with zero sourcing, and I believe it is these episode that Carlos objects to. As editors of Wikipedia, we are bound to stick to the facts and not repeat rumors or gossip or some author's speculations without foundation. Therefore the passages should be removed that refer to Carlos crying before interviews, becoming suicidal before public performances, and any references to her parents. These are unsupported by any other sources.Rcarlberg (talk) 22:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are sources such as ancestry.com and archives.com reliable enough sources for a biography, if the information is based on official state records? Egrabczewski (talk) 08:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've lost track now. I think it was something to do with her parents, her mother perhaps. Wendy Carlos does not say much if anything about her. But if these sources are unreliable then it's probably best to forget what I found. Egrabczewski (talk) 23:11, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pardon my ignorance, but can you explain the difference? Carlos herself does not self-identify as non-binary. She identifies as 100% female. Okay, I googled the difference and it appears "transgender" refers to pre-op and pre-HRT, while "transsexual" is after. So you are correct, Carlos was transsexual since at least 1967. But nobody starts out transsexual; they must feel transgender first.Rcarlberg (talk) 22:21, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
